Legislature(2009 - 2010)BUTROVICH 205

03/03/2010 10:00 AM Senate RESOURCES


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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              SENATE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                         March 3, 2010                                                                                          
                           10:01 a.m.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bill Wielechowski, Co-Chair                                                                                             
Senator Gary Stevens                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lesil McGuire, Co-Chair                                                                                                 
Senator Charlie Huggins, Vice Chair                                                                                             
Senator Hollis French                                                                                                           
Senator Bert Stedman                                                                                                            
Senator Thomas Wagoner                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative David Guttenberg                                                                                                 
Senator Dennis Egan                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Overview: AHFC Weatherization Program                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CARY BOLLING, Energy Specialist                                                                                                 
Alaska Housing Finance Corporation (AHFC)                                                                                       
Juneau, AK                                                                                                                      
POSITION STATEMENT: Presented overview on AHFC Weatherization                                                                 
Program                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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10:01:12 AM                                                                                                                   
CO-CHAIR BILL WIELECHOWSKI called the Alaska State Senate                                                                     
Resources Standing Committee meeting to order at 10:01 a.m.                                                                     
Present  at  the   call  to  order  were   Senators  Stevens  and                                                               
Wielechowski.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
   Overview of the Alaska Housing Finance Corporation (AHFC)                                                                
 Weatherization Program ^Overview: AHFC Weatherization Program                                                              
                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:01:36 AM                                                                                                                   
CO-CHAIR  WIELECHOWSKI  announced  the  overview  of  the  Alaska                                                               
Housing  Finance Corporation  (AHFC)  Weatherization Program.  He                                                               
said  this was  of benefit  to the  public on  how to  make their                                                               
homes and businesses more energy efficient.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CARY  BOLLING, AHFC  Energy  Specialist,  Alaska Housing  Finance                                                               
Corporation,  said  he  had  been with  AHFC  since  1992  mainly                                                               
researching   information   on   housing   construction,   energy                                                               
efficiency, building science and  renewable energy, and trying to                                                               
get  that  information  out  to  people  through  their  research                                                               
information center  and presentations to consumers  and builders.                                                               
He  said   the  program  embodies  two   different  strategies  -                                                               
conservation  and efficiency.  Conservation is  cutting back  and                                                               
involves things  like opening the  refrigerator less  and turning                                                               
off lights;  and efficiency usually involves  using technology or                                                               
"doing  more with  less" like  using energy  efficient bulbs  and                                                               
programmable thermostats.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:04:05 AM                                                                                                                   
He also  reminded people to look  at what the energy  usage is on                                                               
their  product  purchases;  lots  of products  have  energy  star                                                               
labels  from washing  machines to  televisions.  He compared  two                                                               
televisions (TV)  made by  the same  manufacturer that  were both                                                               
the  same size  but one  used 177  watts of  electricity and  the                                                               
other used 118  watts. He emphasized the "standby  power" that is                                                               
involved  when a  product  looks  like it's  off,  but it  really                                                               
isn't.  One  of  the TVs  drew  only  a  little  over 1  watt  of                                                               
electricity when it's  off, but the bottom one  drew 40.04 watts.                                                               
Energy star labeled products have  to meet some kind of guideline                                                               
for  the  standby power.  The  savings  can be  considerable  for                                                               
places like rural areas.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:06:02 AM                                                                                                                   
Slide 4  illustrated how a  $100-investment in a house  could cut                                                               
someone's  energy  costs.  For instance,  he  bought  10  compact                                                               
fluorescent lights  (CFL) that use a  quarter of the energy  of a                                                               
standard  light bulb  at $3/ea.  And showerheads  - most  put out                                                               
about 3-5 gallons  of water per minute, but you  can cut down the                                                               
amount of  hot water by  getting a  showerhead that uses  half of                                                               
that amount  - 1.6 gallon per  minute. It's simple to  install. A                                                               
water heater blanket  is about $20 and easy to  install, as well.                                                               
Then there  are the doors and  windows - weather strip  and caulk                                                               
for those cost  of about $15. Where car block  heaters are needed                                                               
to keep  engines warm during the  winter, a timer can  be used to                                                               
turn it  on two  hours beforehand  instead of  leaving it  on all                                                               
night. The last thing is phantom  power loads - the standby power                                                               
losses with electronics like video  games and electronics battery                                                               
chargers; that can add up to  100 watts of electricity that is on                                                               
all the time. His calculation showed  a person would save a total                                                               
of $650.00/year - $200 for using  the light bulbs, $80 from using                                                               
and energy  efficient showerhead, $20  from using a  water heater                                                               
blanket that will  pay for itself in one year,  $40 from caulking                                                               
and weather  stripping, $100 from  using a power strip,  and $200                                                               
from using a  car block heater timer. But this  is what is called                                                               
"the low-hanging fruit."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:11:03 AM                                                                                                                   
MR. BOLLING's  Home Energy  Use Chart (slide  6) broke  down home                                                               
energy use into  categories. The really big chunk  of energy use,                                                               
especially  in  Alaska,  is  space heating.  For  this  one  must                                                               
understand  how   a  house  works   which  could   involve  major                                                               
improvements,  but he  cautioned that  caulking and  insulating a                                                               
lot  but may  cause unintended  consequences. He  illustrated his                                                               
points with a  little story about how "Grandma's  house" works or                                                               
what some  call Building Science  101. Her house has  very little                                                               
insulation, built maybe 50 years ago  - very drafty. It was built                                                               
when energy was  cheap. A pot of water on  the heating system for                                                               
humidity  was  putting  moisture  into the  air.  This  was  done                                                               
because typically  in Alaska outdoor  air is  cold and dry  - and                                                               
it's blowing through the house drying it out more.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
He explained  that a house  works just  like a chimney.  The cold                                                               
air comes  in cold and  low through  cracks and leaks  around the                                                               
bottom of  the house and goes  out up and hot  through cracks and                                                               
leaks in the ceiling - the  part most people don't typically get.                                                               
All  the light  fixtures  and attic  places  have little  cracks.                                                               
Escaping warm air can be pretty  significant when it is all added                                                               
up.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:14:26 AM                                                                                                                   
Back to  his Grandma  illustration: energy  is expensive,  so she                                                               
hired someone  to install  more insulation.  But problems  can be                                                               
created without  understanding how the  house works as  a system.                                                               
The drafts and  cracks need to be caulked and  sealed to stop the                                                               
air from coming  in and going out. Now what  happens is that warm                                                               
moist air gets  into the attic, which is a  lot colder because of                                                               
the added  insulation, and  that air freezes.  Then when  it gets                                                               
warmer outside, it  melts and drips back down  and starts causing                                                               
durability  problems.  So,  she  should caulk  around  the  light                                                               
fixtures  in  the ceiling  to  keep  the  moist air  in.  Another                                                               
indication  that  too much  moisture  is  in  the attic  is  when                                                               
moisture freezes on its way out through a gable vent.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:17:19 AM                                                                                                                   
You can tell  Grandma to take her pot off  the stove, Mr. Bolling                                                               
said, but a  family of 4 creates 1100 gallons  of moisture a year                                                               
(slide  14). It's  got  to go  some place.  So  when the  weather                                                               
conditions get  right the  house gets ice  damming. Snow  gets on                                                               
the roof, the snow right next  to the roof is melting because the                                                               
attic is  warm; it runs  down and hits  the cold outside  edge of                                                               
the  roof and  freezes, and  causes giant  icicles. Then  a whole                                                               
ridge of ice can form along the  edge of the roof that becomes an                                                               
actual dam so  that the water running under the  snow layer can't                                                               
get  over  the  dam  and  it starts  backing  up  underneath  the                                                               
shingles. A lot  of people don't understand this  because they go                                                               
through the  "icicle dam  follies," which  means they  think they                                                               
need  more insulation  in their  attic. But  they really  need to                                                               
seal  up  all the  cracks  and  leaks  in  the ceiling  that  are                                                               
allowing warm  to get up  into it.  That solves 90-95  percent of                                                               
the problems.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:19:55 AM                                                                                                                   
He explained that a good air seal  is put on the warm side of the                                                               
insulation  in Alaska's  climate. In  new homes  that is  done by                                                               
putting Visqueen plastic  film around the house (slide  17). In a                                                               
retro-fit situation,  you try to  caulk and  seal up as  best you                                                               
can  (slide 18).  Once the  house is  tightened up,  however, the                                                               
house  system  makes  the  inside  moisture  go  to  the  coldest                                                               
surface;  it condenses  on the  windows and  starts dripping  and                                                               
even freezing presenting durability issues.  Or it goes to a very                                                               
extreme example  of mold. The  moist air condenses on  the warmer                                                               
surfaces like a stud - more durability issues.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
He said  the moisture must get  out somehow. Why not  just open a                                                               
window? That doesn't always provide  ventilation because you need                                                               
a driving  force to  move air in  or out of  a house.  Only three                                                               
things  can  do   that  -  wind,  temperature   or  a  mechanical                                                               
ventilation system (MVS).  The only thing you can  control is the                                                               
mechanical  ventilation  system.   However,  simply  running  the                                                               
bathroom  fan  longer  provides background  ventilation  for  the                                                               
whole house  that can have  indoor air quality issues  other than                                                               
moisture once it has been tightened up.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BOLLING  said  using  a  bathroom  fans  is  fine  in  those                                                               
situations. However  most of  them don't get  used   because they                                                               
are not rated to run continuously  so they can burn out; they are                                                               
also not very energy efficient, and  - the main reason - they are                                                               
noisy.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:24:56 AM                                                                                                                   
New fans  are quieter,  energy efficient,  continuous-duty rated,                                                               
and cost  $100-200. A controller  can control how often  it comes                                                               
on and  off to keep  the indoor air in  good shape. On  the other                                                               
hand some  people put  in heat  recovery ventilators  (HRV). When                                                               
they exhaust  the air out  of the  house these recapture  some of                                                               
the heat and use it to preheat  the cold air coming in; the newer                                                               
units use  energy efficient  fans. But  installing a  system like                                                               
this costs thousands  of dollars instead of  hundreds. The bottom                                                               
line is  that you want  your house built  tight, but you  want it                                                               
ventilated right.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
10:27:28 AM                                                                                                                   
The building code says burning fuel  inside a house for a heating                                                               
system (slide 23) has to use  air for the combustion process that                                                               
comes from  outside the  house. For Grandma's  house that  is now                                                               
nice and tight, this means when  she cooks she turns on the range                                                               
hood and it can suck a lot of  air out of the house; the same for                                                               
a  clothes dryer.  For the  heating system  that doesn't  have an                                                               
outside air supply  this means because of all the  suction in the                                                               
house, instead  of smoke going  up the  stack, it comes  down the                                                               
stack and into the house -  in the form of carbon monoxide, which                                                               
is colorless, odorless, and deadly.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Building code  says you need  outside air  for a furnace  to burn                                                               
fuel, Mr. Bolling said. So,  typically you will see holes punched                                                               
in walls  with a louvered vent  that will dump air  near the fuel                                                               
burning appliance.  They need  to be  there, but  it is  a pretty                                                               
primitive way to  supply combustion air to these  units. A better                                                               
strategy if  you are going to  upgrade your heating system  is to                                                               
use one that is direct-vented  or uses a sealed combustion system                                                               
that injects the air right  into the combustion chamber where the                                                               
fuel is  burned, and takes  the exhaust  out as well.  It's safer                                                               
and less  prone to back  drafting. A carbon monoxide  detector is                                                               
required by  law. Everything should  be safe,  durable, efficient                                                               
and affordable.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WIELECHOWSKI noted  that Representative  Guttenberg was                                                               
present.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:33:27 AM                                                                                                                   
MR.  BOLLING  summarized  that  one  begins  building  tight  and                                                               
ventilating   right  by   first  sealing   up  the   house;  then                                                               
insulating.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:35:33 AM                                                                                                                   
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked if a  specific type of caulk should be                                                               
used.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BOLLING  replied  that  silicone  is  a  universally  benign                                                               
product to use  - unless it has to be  painted. More important to                                                               
think about  is caulking around  something that will get  hot. It                                                               
should also be caulk that lasts  a long time, 20 years or longer.                                                               
He   used  illustrations   to  show   different  techniques   for                                                               
insulating  around different  items like  electrical outlets  and                                                               
chimneys saying that  typically you have to  make insulation dams                                                               
yourself that  keep insulation from  touching hot  surfaces. This                                                               
information is on AHFC's energy star website.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
He said  once everything is  sealed on  top, then you  seal where                                                               
the  air  is coming  in  low  and  that  typically is  where  the                                                               
foundation  wall meets  the floor  framing, the  rim joist  area.                                                               
Sometimes insulation is stuffed in that  area, but if you pull it                                                               
out and  see a  lot of  dirt, that  means air  is coming  in from                                                               
outside. That  should all be  sealed up by installing  rigid foam                                                               
board that  has been  cut to  size and  caulking around  it; then                                                               
draping  insulation down  the wall.  It's important  to keep  the                                                               
area  dry and  that is  accomplished with  ground vapor  retarder                                                               
that is  sealed with red  tape. Don't  use duck tape,  he warned,                                                               
because it tends to dry up and fall off after a couple of years.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Seal  first and  then  insulate, he  instructed. Typically,  it's                                                               
easy to add insulation in the  attic, but being careful to create                                                               
barriers around  things that  get hot, maybe  with wire  mesh. He                                                               
suggested  getting rid  of recessed  light fixtures  because they                                                               
get very hot  and have holes in  them to keep them  cool. So they                                                               
are  pumping a  lot of  hot  air up  into the  attic causing  ice                                                               
damming  problems and  energy loss.  Sometimes you  can build  an                                                               
insulated  box  around  them,   but  carefully.  Luckily  several                                                               
products are  now available so  that recessed light  fixtures can                                                               
be sealed from inside the house.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
He  emphasized  that attics  and  roofs  need to  be  ventilated;                                                               
soffit  vents allow  air to  come in  and ridge  and gable  vents                                                               
allow it  to go out over  the insulation. You don't  want so much                                                               
insulation that it blocks the air flow.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WIELECHOWSKI  asked  if electrical  outlets  should  be                                                               
insulated in some way.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. BOLLING  answered that  you can put  foam gaskets  behind the                                                               
covers. The  big air leakers  are the  ones that are  really high                                                               
and really low; then hit the foam gaskets.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:45:47 AM                                                                                                                   
He summarized  that the  top priority  is to  caulk and  seal air                                                               
leaks between  ceiling and attic,  around crawlspace  or basement                                                               
rim joist,  and doors  and windows. Then  add more  insulation to                                                               
the attic  and crawlspace or  basement walls. Then get  a heating                                                               
and  water  heating  system  check up  annually  for  safety  and                                                               
efficiency.  And last  but not  least provide  proper ventilation                                                               
for the house  - for health and safety: at  least install a quiet                                                               
energy-efficient bathroom fan.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:48:44 AM                                                                                                                   
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI  asked if using water  heater blankets make                                                               
the heaters sweat and rust out.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. BOLLING  answered that  most of the  newer water  heaters are                                                               
better insulated than  they used to be,  so additional insulation                                                               
may not  be needed. If  the water  heater feels really  warm, you                                                               
may need one. Getting the  right blanket is important for dealing                                                               
with  the sweating  issue. Some  are  fiberglass and  some use  a                                                               
bubble pack. Sweating  could also be coming from  the presence of                                                               
too much moisture in that area.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI asked  how to keep cold air  from coming in                                                               
through dryer vents and bathroom fans.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. BOLLING answered  that the newer bathroom fans  have a damper                                                               
that shuts off  when the fan is not on;  another damper closes on                                                               
the  outside.  Dryer  vents  typically  have  a  flapper  on  the                                                               
outside; but  some have a shuttle  device that uses the  force of                                                               
the  air from  the dryer  to push  up a  little gasket.  When the                                                               
dryer is  turned off the  gasket falls  back down and  covers the                                                               
hole making a better seal than the flapper.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WIELECHOWSKI asked  for ways  to improve  efficiency on                                                               
wood stoves and fire places.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BOLLING responded that generally  the open hearth fire places                                                               
are  energy losers  because so  much  air that  has already  been                                                               
heated is  going up the  chimney. Use  them sparingly and  not in                                                               
the winter, he stated, and when  they are not being used, use one                                                               
of several low  cost ways to make sure they  are sealed properly.                                                               
Make a  pillow out of  squishy foam in a  plastic bag and  fit it                                                               
into the  throat of the chimney,  for instance. But make  sure it                                                               
is removed before ever starting a fire.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI  asked for efficiency suggestions  on "warm                                                               
roofs" that have no attics.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. BOLLING  answered that  you have  to attack  any air  that is                                                               
leaking up  to the  roof from  inside the  house from  the bottom                                                               
side. One strategy  is caulking around the light  fixtures on the                                                               
inside,  doing the  retro-fit kits  for recessed  light fixtures,                                                               
and  trying to  get as  much as  you can  from inside  the house.                                                               
Typically  air  leakage  is  the biggest  source  of  heat  loss;                                                               
sealing them  up will  make a major  difference in  reducing heat                                                               
loss  and  preventing  ice  damming  -  even  without  sufficient                                                               
insulation. For  a much bigger  project, one could  build another                                                               
roof on top of the old one that adds insulation.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI  asked him to  talk a little bit  about tax                                                               
credits for Alaskans and the Energy Rebate Program.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:56:16 AM                                                                                                                   
MR.  BOLLING replied  that you  can get  federal tax  credits for                                                               
becoming   more  energy   efficient.  The   best  place   is  get                                                               
information   on   this  is   on   their   energy  star   website                                                               
(www.energystar.gov). You can  take up to 30 percent  of the cost                                                               
of many  energy saving items up  to a maximum of  $1500 total off                                                               
your taxes. It's called a tax  credit, not a deduction, and comes                                                               
off the  amount of  tax you  pay. The state  has the  Home Energy                                                               
Rebate Program  available through  the AHFC  for people  who have                                                               
the   money  upfront   to  pay   for  energy   improvements.  The                                                               
Weatherization Program  is available for people  who meet certain                                                               
income guidelines at no cost.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:59:05 AM                                                                                                                   
CO-CHAIR  WIELECHOWSKI  thanked  him  for  his  presentation  and                                                               
finding no further business adjourned the meeting at 10:59 p.m.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                

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